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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 3:33 am 
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On paper, it's 27/27 DUP/SF thus far, but...

Unionist parties concede assembly majority for first time ever.
DUP, even allowing for TUV help, lose petition of concern rights and thus veto.
Alliance gain huge ground electorally, even if not in seats.

The Sinn Féin makeover nears completion. They're gradually removing the older, male "connected" element in favour of a younger, more female presence with clean hands. This has been a long term goal: Michelle O'Neill is in her 30's, no-one is asking if she was in the IRA, she was early teens when the ceasefire happened. Dare one say it, but they're practically mainstream progressive politics round here now.

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What about the SDLP what did they do wrong?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 4:14 am 
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MisterMuncher wrote:
On paper, it's 27/27 DUP/SF thus far, but...

Unionist parties concede assembly majority for first time ever.
DUP, even allowing for TUV help, lose petition of concern rights and thus veto.
Alliance gain huge ground electorally, even if not in seats.

The Sinn Féin makeover nears completion. They're gradually removing the older, male "connected" element in favour of a younger, more female presence with clean hands. This has been a long term goal: Michelle O'Neill is in her 30's, no-one is asking if she was in the IRA, she was early teens when the ceasefire happened. Dare one say it, but they're practically mainstream progressive politics round here now.

Arlene Foster did help get the vote out. The biggest problem was it was a Sinn Fein vote that was dormant from apathy last year but was heated up this time as well as Alliance to a lesser extent.

Final seat tally...

DUP - 28 seats
Sinn Fein - 27 seats
SDLP - 12 seats
UUP - 10 seats
Alliance - 8 seats
Greens - 2 seats
TUV - 1 seat
People Before Profit - 1 seat
Independent - 1 seat

Reality is now wherever an Assembly can be formed again.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 8:38 am 
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What about the SDLP what did they do wrong?



They failed to engage with their electorate, to some extent. For a left wing party, they're also pretty illiberal. They are going to struggle more and more as SF's membership renews. When most or all of the men of violence are gone, will anyone need two "respectable" Nationalist parties?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:45 am 
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Looks like a few British journos are just waking up to the fact that a major election happened in the UK yesterday.

They've yet to wake up to the fact that there may be no UK in a few years time. Vacuous blabbermouth Theresa Villiers sounds like a rabbit in the headlights this morning.


I missed this one. This would have been unthinkable for a Unionist leader a few years ago
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Mike Nesbitt says he will transfer his vote to the SDLP

Ulster Unionist leader Mike Nesbitt's comments that he intends to give the SDLP his second preference vote in the upcoming election spark controversy within his party.
Mr Nesbitt was speaking on the Sunday Politics programme on BBC Northern Ireland. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38960977


Nesbitt comes across very well
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-nort ... 7-39160945


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Andrew Neil showed an almost contemptuous disinterest in the election over in NI in his interview with the new UUP leader Robin Swann who came across as a reactionary throwback compared to the more thoughtful Mike Nesbitt. He's a convert to Brexit which offers "many opportunities for Northern Ireland." What these were we don't know as Neil is not that hot on challenging Brexiters or cared much. Swann's offering "a positive confident Unionism" which appeared to be dogwhistle for wooing DUP flute players. A depressing state of affairs for secular liberals from a Protestant background who want to live in the 21st century.


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It's been that for a while. I know a fair few people of Protestant background but liberal politics utterly disillusioned with Unionist parties en Bloc. At the end of the day, the parties know there's more mileage in appealing to the old version reactionary tendency in Unionist circles. Simply put, the don't need the gays of there's enough people prepared to sign covenants in blood and wave shotgun licences in the dark.

The other end of this is the apparent obliviousness of the press and broader political establishment to DUP/UUP links to paramilitaries. That Jeremy Corbyn's alleged IRA links are a big story, whilst the DUP cosying up to the likes of Dee Stitt, blocking legacy enquires etc isn't with a whisper seems odd when Arlene is intent on running the party as a semi-detached wing of the Tory party stinks.

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MisterMuncher wrote:
It's been that for a while. I know a fair few people of Protestant background but liberal politics utterly disillusioned with Unionist parties en Bloc. At the end of the day, the parties know there's more mileage in appealing to the old version reactionary tendency in Unionist circles. Simply put, the don't need the gays of there's enough people prepared to sign covenants in blood and wave shotgun licences in the dark.

The other end of this is the apparent obliviousness of the press and broader political establishment to DUP/UUP links to paramilitaries. That Jeremy Corbyn's alleged IRA links are a big story, whilst the DUP cosying up to the likes of Dee Stitt, blocking legacy enquires etc isn't with a whisper seems odd when Arlene is intent on running the party as a semi-detached wing of the Tory party stinks.


That must be a different Farage who was canvassing for his non-sectarian party UKIP in NI.
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@Nigel_Farage thanks for the support. Let's keep moving forward to freedom!
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I heard Swann again on the radio pushing for the need to go out there and explain the pragmatic advantages of staying in the UK. Good luck with that one if Brexit goes tits up.


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Major victory for the victims of the Glenanne gang today in the High Court, when it was ruled their human rights were breached by discontinuing the overall report into the murders. This should lead to a reopening of all enquires, possibly a public enquiry.

I couldn't say I'm happy about any of it, but satisfied certainly works for me. It'll be interesting to see the reaction from Westminster. Should provide fairly concrete evidence of how deep May is prepared to stoop to keep the DUP on side.

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Glenanne gang: PSNI 'breaching human rights' of victims' families

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-40754011

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