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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:29 pm 
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I can see the DUP jumping ship, as they don't want the increasingly likely hard Brexit. The £1.5bn bung was to be paid over the two years, so will disappear with the government whatever the DUP does.


The DUP want a hard Brexit. They're like UKIP, Trump, Le Pen etc. Urging contradictory things with great certainty causes them no shame.

They don't want a hard border either.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:28 pm 
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Still struggling to understand how, given the shit "deal" that that moron Davies is going to come away with, and bearing in mind that any deal involving relinquishing our EU membership can only be significantly worse than remaining a member, the vote being offered can in way conceivably be described as "meaningful".

It's a bit like saying "We're going to give you a vote on whether to jump into this giant, 4 metre deep vat of rancid, disease-ridden liquid camel dung. You don't have to vote for this, but if you don't, you'll have to jump into this gigantic 12 metre deep vat of boiling hot chip fat instead. "

"Take back control !". :(

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:10 pm 
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Arnold wrote:
I can see the DUP jumping ship, as they don't want the increasingly likely hard Brexit. The £1.5bn bung was to be paid over the two years, so will disappear with the government whatever the DUP does.


The DUP want a hard Brexit. They're like UKIP, Trump, Le Pen etc. Urging contradictory things with great certainty causes them no shame.

They don't want a hard border either.


They likely do really. They've vetoed the EU solution to avoiding it.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:15 pm 
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For some reason, Alan Sherman's Hello Muddah, hello Faddah has become my Brexit earworm.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:26 pm 
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Still struggling to understand how, given the shit "deal" that that moron Davies is going to come away with, and bearing in mind that any deal involving relinquishing our EU membership can only be significantly worse than remaining a member, the vote being offered can in way conceivably be described as "meaningful".

It's a bit like saying "We're going to give you a vote on whether to jump into this giant, 4 metre deep vat of rancid, disease-ridden liquid camel dung. You don't have to vote for this, but if you don't, you'll have to jump into this gigantic 12 metre deep vat of boiling hot chip fat instead. "

"Take back control !". :(


This all makes perfect sense when a "meaningful vote" is seen through the prism of 58 impact studies which go in to "excruciating detail" but don't actually exist.

It is to parliament's eternal discredit that this moron is allowed to get away with these utterances.

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It is to parliament's eternal discredit that this moron is allowed to get away with these utterances.


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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Arnold wrote:
I can see the DUP jumping ship, as they don't want the increasingly likely hard Brexit. The £1.5bn bung was to be paid over the two years, so will disappear with the government whatever the DUP does.


They likely do really. They've vetoed the EU solution to avoiding it.


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Barnier, Verhofstadt, Juncker et al are doing their best to humiliate the UK citizens of Northern Ireland and even pretend we dont exist by adopting IRA sound bites. Its a deliberate attempt to humiliate and demean. It wont work but is indicative of the nature of the EU. https://twitter.com/HenryReillyNOEU/sta ... 5854798848


Cllr Reilly is "Dedicated to fairness, equality, liberty, progress and serving all the people of Mourne without distinction." And has a portrait of Enoch Powell as his banner. The DUP may not object to the convenience an open border has for their constituents but you only have to listen to Paisley's ranting about the Treaty of Rome being a Papal plot to know where their hearts are on this issue.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:37 am 
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The Red Arrow wrote:
Kreuzberger wrote:

It is to parliament's eternal discredit that this moron is allowed to get away with these utterances.


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Davis has pissed some MPs off but not many. They are not bad people and serve the constituents of Upper Drakes Botton or Barnestoneworth well against cuts or whatever. But when it comes to the big picture stuff that our peace and prosperity is dependent upon its all a bit too overwhelming to be bothered with. A friend who used to live in Islington North praised the passion her local MP put into saving their local library branch. Now Corbyn can walk the walk he can't even replicate that passion on the Irish border question.


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The whole thing is unravelling at a rate of knots now, isn't it?

Even if we end up signing up to whatever shitty deal Davis eventually comes back with from the EU, the hardcore Tory Eurosceptic nationalists still won't be happy and will devote all their future energies into extracting ourselves from said agreement. They want to turn the UK into a low tax, low wage, low regulation utopia and won't rest until their dream is fully realised. In their minds, Brexit is merely a step in that direction. And the depressing thing is, a sizeable chunk of the electorate will swallow their rhetoric hook line and sinker.

Incidentally, I hadn't realised the Tory 'rebels' had resorted to sitting within their own unhappy group in the Commons. Safety in numbers, eh?
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I think Bernard Jenkin's going to get chinned by Anna Soubry in a second. :lol:

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Ken Clarke gets a long round of applause - v.unusual in the chamber - after his tour de force against the Govt amendments and his clinical demolition of the case for a hard Brexit. Bill Cash, IDS and others walk out. A pleasure to listen to and witness


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Honda UK warns MPs of consequences of leaving EU customs union

Motor industry says threatened new tariffs could add £1,500 to price of an imported car, and make exports more expensive too


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... toms-union

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The irritating thing is that the incredibly complex process of leaving the EU is in the hands of a bunch of idiotic right wing head cases, owned by the frothing at the mouth right wing media.

Their aim, as Arrowhead said, is to turn the UK into a haven for super rich tax dodgers, with an unregulated labour market and everyone on insecure temporary contracts etc. Basically, something approaching a third world type economy.

The likely results are that any young people who have the ability will go to live and work in Europe, and the country will then turn into a glorified old peoples home with the Brexit voters reading the Daily Express and saying "ee, we got rid of all them forriners, ee aren't t' royals lovely, eee"

Also, should a Labour government get elected after we have left the EU, they will then inherit the Hiroshima of shit which will have resulted from Brexit, and every problem will then be blamed on the Labour party by the media.

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mr angry manchester wrote:
The irritating thing is that the incredibly complex process of leaving the EU is in the hands of a bunch of idiotic right wing head cases, owned by the frothing at the mouth right wing media.

Also, should a Labour government get elected after we have left the EU, they will then inherit the Hiroshima of shit which will have resulted from Brexit, and every problem will then be blamed on the Labour party by the media.


Outside of the 3D chess in Starmer's head I doubt there's much serious strategic thinking in Labour either.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:17 pm 
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Arnold wrote:
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Honda UK warns MPs of consequences of leaving EU customs union

Motor industry says threatened new tariffs could add £1,500 to price of an imported car, and make exports more expensive too


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... toms-union

On Twitter: https://twitter.com/robertsdan/status/9 ... 0297897985

A lot of people there miserably failing to understand how JIT works.


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