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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:39 pm 
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Littlejohn's brain wrote:
How will this dictatorship be resisted?


We'll all have a chuckle at Steve Bell's cartoons.


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And we can continue to be subserversive on Mailwatch until the Brexit Gestapo drag us away

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:53 pm 
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Littlejohn's brain wrote:
How will this dictatorship be resisted?

By somehow ensuring that, without exception, a solitary non-Tory name appears on every ballot across the entire country. Easier said than done, but I'm convinced that is where we are ultimately headed.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:57 pm 
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My constituency of Newcastle Under Lyme has a Labour MP, Paul Farrelly, with a majority of only 650.


Glad you are voting for him - a good, hardworking MP. Was really useful on the Culture Select Committee when they looked at hacking.

Probably doomed!


Yeah he was very good on hacking. Rebelled on Brexit.


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Arrowhead wrote:
Littlejohn's brain wrote:
How will this dictatorship be resisted?

By somehow ensuring that, without exception, a solitary non-Tory name appears on every ballot across the entire country. Easier said than done, but I'm convinced that is where we are ultimately headed.


Thoroughly logical, and undeniably the best strategy.
Now we just have to convince Jeremy, Leanne, Nicola, Fred and that other one to get their shit together.
I'm not altogether hopeful.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:31 am 
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I wonder where Remain Tories currently sit.

Apparently 67% are treating this as an election not another referendum on a Europe, I'll be intrigued to see what that does.

I'm going put my house* in this Leave/Remain areas meaning jack.

*Havent got one but.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:51 am 
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JC is storming this poll on ITV This Morning

http://www.itv.com/t...-prime-minister

Maybe all ITV viewers are socialists? I blame Holly Willoughby.

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JC is storming this poll on ITV This Morning

http://www.itv.com/t...-prime-minister

Maybe all ITV viewers are socialists? I blame Holly Willoughby.

"Page does not exist"

He's blown it out of existence...


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:13 am 
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Look just because he stormed a This Morning doesn't suddenly make Corbyn electable, if it weren't for his poore leadership we wouldn't be having this election.

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Littlejohn's brain wrote:
Look just because he stormed a This Morning doesn't suddenly make Corbyn electable, if it weren't for his poore leadership we wouldn't be having this election.


I know, I know, I Know.....It was on ITV This Morning, so they probably though they could win a trolley dash at Asda or something

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The Corbynista friend I mentioned a few weeks ago told me last night that "People don't know what they want until they're told". That's the sort of patronising arrogance we have to defeat before we even start on the Tories.

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To a degree there's some truth in that. As someone qualified to run public consultations (yes, you can qualify in such a thing), one thing you're taught is that there are three types of consultation:

1. Ask 100 people what they want, completely blank slate. Get 100 different answers.

2. Offer a series of distinct options. Better, but someone will offer an option outside the range, or argue that it's not a free choice and that's not fair, and then people will demand type 1 even if they don't know what to do with it if they get it.

3. Offer 1 option, and say "This is what we're planning to do, what do you think of that?" (or do what you want, then ask people what they think of it).

Thing about elections is that they ask rather complex questions. For a start, people might think that they like some things from party A's manifesto, and some things from party B's. But you can't under the present system vote for both. Then there's the next questions of how much is my vote going to count, and how likely is my preferred candidate to achieve any of this. That last one's always the minor parties' bane - you might love them but if they've only got 1 MP what's the point?

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May-Tse-Tung is still off the radar today. Probably in an underground bunker with Dacre working on the list of Enemies of the People to be eradicated....

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Well, they've got to think of a new slogan for her to parrot.

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Andy McDandy wrote:
To a degree there's some truth in that. As someone qualified to run public consultations (yes, you can qualify in such a thing), one thing you're taught is that there are three types of consultation:

1. Ask 100 people what they want, completely blank slate. Get 100 different answers.

2. Offer a series of distinct options. Better, but someone will offer an option outside the range, or argue that it's not a free choice and that's not fair, and then people will demand type 1 even if they don't know what to do with it if they get it.

3. Offer 1 option, and say "This is what we're planning to do, what do you think of that?" (or do what you want, then ask people what they think of it).

Thing about elections is that they ask rather complex questions. For a start, people might think that they like some things from party A's manifesto, and some things from party B's. But you can't under the present system vote for both. Then there's the next questions of how much is my vote going to count, and how likely is my preferred candidate to achieve any of this. That last one's always the minor parties' bane - you might love them but if they've only got 1 MP what's the point?


Or as they'll do it 4. "You don't want those 50" TVs and smartphones, what you really want is a library and a museum."

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