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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 6:32 pm 
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Thought the Telegraph's description of his election as a "cloud over Brexit" was hilarious. We're heading for the iceberg at full speed and those tits are worried about precipitation.


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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 8:39 pm 
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As wonderful as it is to sip alt-right tears, it must be remembered that the election of Macron is more or less a support of the status quo. Macron will need to hit the ground running IMO with respect to the French economy otherwise the conditions for Le Pen to make a comeback stronger than ever will be there. But for the time being, like Wilders, she's been neutered.

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The age difference that's the same as Macron and his wife's but no one mentions

https://www.indy100.com/article/french- ... paign=i100

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 10:04 pm 
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It's amazing, eh? They first meet when he is 15, she is 40. Now, at 39 and 64 they're married. I'm no expert but it sounds like love to me. From what I've seen and heard of Trump I'm not sure he's capable of love.


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Have our friends in Derry Street called Mme. Trogneux a whore yet?

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Kreuzberger wrote:
Have our friends in Derry Street called Mme. Trogneux a whore yet?


I reckon they'll go for madame, in inverted commas.


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Following Macron's success the left have a new line Macron's won but he'll pave the way fro Le Pen becasue he's a banker who wants to sack workers or something. My least favourite sociologist has been given us his two penny's worth.

http://averypublicsociologist.blogspot. ... alism.html

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Unfortunately, the shiny new president is clueless and uninterested in the dynamics driving Le Pen's support. While a Macron win was and would always be preferable to a fascist victory, he will not solve France's problems. He's hell bent on exacerbating them. As we have seen with the collapsed of the Socialists and the abysmal performance of Francois Hollande, their humiliation in this election and likely wipe out in the parliamentary elections next month is a calamity of their own making. Centre left parties across Europe have had a battering, from outright collapse like France and The Netherlands to parties hampered by splits and social dislocation, like Germany and, yes, Britain. Populism of the left and right have welled up through the fissures and caused all manner of complications, but the underlying problem in almost every case is the extent to which social democratic and labour parties have overseen attacks on their own constituencies.

The consequences of this is more complex than just economic anxiety, which is often lampooned by liberals hostile to understanding their complicity in the processes driving populism. All too often, this blog has visited how the breaking up of the post-war social order and the administration of neoliberal capitalism has seen many centre left parties pursue suicidal policies that break up their coalition of voters. Consider the case of New Labour. Sure, the sharper edges were blunted and investment - albeit sourced from the private sector at rip off rates - helped rebuild public infrastructure. But crucially Blair and Brown's drive to open more and more areas of the state to marketisation introduced uncertainty, varying standards, and a fundamental lack of accountability in service provision. Meanwhile their failure to roll back the attacks the Tories made on workplace rights, save for the enhancement of individual at the expense of collective rights, meant that impermanence and fluidity - a sense of a loss of control - deepened a diffuse sense of uncertainty that had more or less reigned unchecked since Keynesian capitalism was broken by crisis in the 1970s

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Following Macron's success the left have a new line Macron's won but he'll pave the way fro Le Pen becasue he's a banker who wants to sack workers or something. My least favourite sociologist has been given us his two penny's worth.

http://averypublicsociologist.blogspot. ... alism.html

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Unfortunately, the shiny new president is clueless and uninterested in the dynamics driving Le Pen's support. While a Macron win was and would always be preferable to a fascist victory, he will not solve France's problems. He's hell bent on exacerbating them. As we have seen with the collapsed of the Socialists and the abysmal performance of Francois Hollande, their humiliation in this election and likely wipe out in the parliamentary elections next month is a calamity of their own making. Centre left parties across Europe have had a battering, from outright collapse like France and The Netherlands to parties hampered by splits and social dislocation, like Germany and, yes, Britain. Populism of the left and right have welled up through the fissures and caused all manner of complications, but the underlying problem in almost every case is the extent to which social democratic and labour parties have overseen attacks on their own constituencies.

The consequences of this is more complex than just economic anxiety, which is often lampooned by liberals hostile to understanding their complicity in the processes driving populism. All too often, this blog has visited how the breaking up of the post-war social order and the administration of neoliberal capitalism has seen many centre left parties pursue suicidal policies that break up their coalition of voters. Consider the case of New Labour. Sure, the sharper edges were blunted and investment - albeit sourced from the private sector at rip off rates - helped rebuild public infrastructure. But crucially Blair and Brown's drive to open more and more areas of the state to marketisation introduced uncertainty, varying standards, and a fundamental lack of accountability in service provision. Meanwhile their failure to roll back the attacks the Tories made on workplace rights, save for the enhancement of individual at the expense of collective rights, meant that impermanence and fluidity - a sense of a loss of control - deepened a diffuse sense of uncertainty that had more or less reigned unchecked since Keynesian capitalism was broken by crisis in the 1970s


The whole piece presents a valid argument. Or are you the only one permitted to dismissively throw in his "two pennies worth" now?

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It's funny how when voters for parties like UKIP and the FN, they don't say it's because of neo-liberalism, or because Labour/Socialists have moved too far to the right, It's usually immigration, muslims, crime because of immigrants, no jobs because of immigrants. Another thing Phil fails to explain is how Macron who run on a platform that is supposed to be so unpopular won, whereas as Hamon and Melanchon who ran on left-wing platforms that would naturally appeal to the French working classes lost.

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Littlejohn's brain wrote:
My least favourite sociologist has been given us his two penny's worth.

http://averypublicsociologist.blogspot. ... alism.html

I don't know why you do this to yourself, LJB. If something - in this case a blog - is bringing so much angst into your life, just ignore it. Trust me, you'll feel a lot better in the long run.


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Ah your right, there was a time when I liked his blog.

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Arrowhead's right, LJB: whenever I've worked abroad and for some reason, have been denied news or whatever, I do have to say my spirits lift a lot.


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Boiler wrote:
Arrowhead's right, LJB: whenever I've worked abroad and for some reason, have been denied news or whatever, I do have to say my spirits lift a lot.


Just returned from rural France and thought exactly that this morning. My unscientific vox-pop and media watch appears is that the top question about the UK is how the hell Boris Johnson was appointed foreign secretary (as a competent French speaker he is able to convey his full twattery). Other than that the UK is falling off the radar and Brexit is down the list of priorities for Europe's political classes. Not a surprise and Leavers couldn't care less but its very sad to see any nation engineer its own decline.


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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... lic-emerge

Secret plans to 'protect' France in the event of Le Pen victory emerge

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L’Obs cited three anonymous sources with knowledge of the “save the Republic” plan, saying it was intended mainly to prevent serious civil unrest and to “freeze” the political situation by convening parliament in emergency session and maintaining the outgoing prime minister in office.

The magazine said the plan, known only to a small group of ministers, chiefs of staff and top civil servants, developed informally as Le Pen was climbing in the polls in the early part of the year.

Police and intelligence services were particularly concerned by the threat of “extreme violence” from mainly far left protestors in the event of a Le Pen victory as the country would have found itself “on the brink of chaos”.

Even before the first round of voting on 23 April, a confidential note drawn up by the intelligence services announced that “without exception, every local public safety directorate has expressed its concern”, Le Parisien reported.

Regional police chiefs were asked on 21 April to detail their crowd control and deployment plans, l’Obs said. Under France’s ongoing state of emergency, more than 50,000 police and gendarmes and 7,000 soldiers were already on duty.

On 5 May, two days before the second round that Macron won by 66% to Le Pen’s 34%, the national public safety directorate warned in another note that protestors were ready to use “fireworks, mortars and incendiary bombs”.

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