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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:35 pm 
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The head of Maine’s Republican Party is claiming unknown groups of black people showed up in the state’s towns and cast ballots on election day.

“In some parts of rural Maine, there were dozens, dozens of black people who came in and voted on Election Day,” Charlie Webster told Portland, Me.’s NBC affiliate on Wednesday. “Everybody has a right to vote, but nobody in town knows anyone who’s black. How did that happen? I don’t know. We’re going to find out.”

Webster was unable to provide specifics, but said there were five areas of the state where he said he had concerns. He said he was going to mail thank-you cards for voting to newly registered voters. If some weren’t able to be delivered, he would know there was fraud.

Both the Maine Secretary of State’s office and the head of the state’s association of town clerks told the Portland Press-Herald they were unaware of any problems.

“I’m not talking about 15 or 20. I’m talking hundreds,” Webster told the paper. “I’m not politically correct and maybe I shouldn’t have said these voters were black, but anyone who suggests I have a bias toward any race or group, frankly, that’s sleazy.”

Maine is one of the whitest states in the country, with a black population of only 1.2 percent.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83895.html


Interesting deployment of "None of my best friends are black".


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:45 pm 
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Malcolm Armsteen wrote:
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Vishnu in a canoe, take a look at this/

http://hellothereracists.tumblr.com/



Fuck me.


All so slim and good looking too...


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:07 am 
mattomac wrote:
Abernathy wrote:
Vishnu in a canoe, take a look at this/

http://hellothereracists.tumblr.com/


That is horrible.....


Sadly.... that is normal over here...

Mind you threatening to kill the president is considered a serious crime (it is not considered free speech).

The people who posted those things should be sweating.....


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:36 am 
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That's a bit like saying that the views of a handful of EDL or whatever the BNP's replacement is is the norm here. You're in southern Appalachia, right? You need to travel more.

I was totally shocked to see some of the precinct voting. A lot of very white, very rural areas still went for Obama. Take Vermont for instance. Every county of that state voted for Obama. Now, Vermont is known for being a hippy state, mostly due to Burlington and a couple more higher density areas of settlement (by higher density, I mean more than 10,000 people). It's a very rural, very white state. There have been a lot of transplants from New York over the decades, but there are a lot of traditional people there still who have lived there all their lives. I doubt very much that "flatlanders" have outnumbered the number of people who drive around with gun racks in the back of their pickups.

Maybe it was the Saunders effect. Despite being a self-declared socialist, Saunders is wildly popular both in Vermont and outside the state. He's popular with almost every segment of voters, including people that might fit in with your neighbours, Big Rob. Maybe his influence helped Obama carry every county in Vermont, but keep in mind he's not a Democrat (although he caucuses with them).

If being an idiotic racist was the norm in the US, Obama wouldn't have been nominated for president twice and elected twice. Sure, some racists probably voted for him, but I doubt that was a very sizeable percentage of his support. I do know at least one casual racist who voted for Obama, but I bet Romney won with hard core racists in even better numbers than Obama won with blacks.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:39 pm 
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That's a bit like saying that the views of a handful of EDL or whatever the BNP's replacement is is the norm here.


Well to clarify. It is the norm to find horrible people like that here in the states. You don't have to be in Appalachia either. It is true of the human race, hence the EDL.

It is obvious that many people don't share that attitude going by Obama's landslide last week.

That said, in my experience, racism is more blatantly obvious in the part of the US I live in, a part that is not normally known for being backward and racist, but there you go.

I have heard things are different in the Northeast and on the West coast but for the bits inbetween.... Not much of a stretch to come to the same conclusion.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:27 pm 
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If it were the norm there, it there would be no reason to make a tumblr outing the people making the racist tweets. What would be the point?

Yes, it's a human tendency to be "ist", but that's why generalisations should be avoided. You're talking about a country whose main bit spans over 3000 miles, where more than 300 million people live, and is governed by a much less centralised government than exists in the UK (well, mostly, but even with devolution, there are things the states and local governments take care of/determine that are not done by say Wales or Scotland). There are huge regional differences, and on top of that, it's a lot easier to look like a racist than to show that you are not.

It's funny, my friend who lives in a rural area of the US can't believe Obama won her county. Not because it normally goes Republican (it does more than it goes Democratic) or because she felt people thought people supported Romney's policies more, but because she hears so much racist BS since Obama got in office. So instead of making any other logical conclusions, she assumes that the Democrats somehow rigged things (even though she is a lefty). Of course, if she ran into 50 or even 100 people who said something racist in the 6 years that Obama's been running/in office, that isn't good sample of the county which probably is more than 50,000 people.

I am not saying there are no racists in areas of the country outside the southeast or places like Arizona. There totally is. Just like there are racists in London. The South has just taken it on as an identity, which means you are more likely to find people openly racist. Is that better that the South allows people to express their racism than places where it's at least considered impolite and shunned? Some people say that it is so you can easily identify the idiots. I disagree. If people who hold racist views can't openly express them with no fear of consequence, they are less likely to pass it along to children and less likely to allow mob mentality to take over.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:44 pm 
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Traditionally, the BNP/NF/whoever have taken more votes from Labour than the Tories. This seems the same thing.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:31 am 
yumicho wrote:
If it were the norm there, it there would be no reason to make a tumblr outing the people making the racist tweets. What would be the point?


To clarify again.

I already mentioned that if it was the norm, i.e. most white people wanting to kill the president, then Obama wouldn't have won, the way he won, even with the changing demographic.

What I am trying to get across is that it is not out of the norm to find white people who wish the president to be assassinated. It has happened at least twice before in the US, that a liberal president has been assassinated, hell, my blue blooded mother in law, who is a huge fan of Obama, dreads that one day a gun wielding nut, in a country where guns are easy to come by, will one day shoot Obama.

Sure this country has progressed, I cannot imagine a black Prime Minister in the UK, however that has been at the expense of further polarising nutjobs and idiots.

To clarify again.

I recognize the UK has its own problems with EDL/BNP/Mailites. What I said wasn't a put down based on nationality. It was a put down of the human species, at least elements of it....


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:28 am 
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Not everyone on that page was advocating for Obama's assassination, but all of them were being racists. Maybe you can see why your posts could be taken as talking about racism.

I don't think it's normal to talk about assassinating the president, and I don't think that any of the assassins and attempted assassins were open with their plans (maybe Booth, but as a whole, if they had had twitter, I doubt any of them would be tweeting about it). Most people wouldn't dare to do it openly before Obama, and on that tumblr usually a reference to lynching rather than talking about doing it in the more traditional ways that presidents have been targeted. Yes, people have talked about assassinating him, but when they are talking about lynching, it's horrible and racist, but it's not a credible threat in the same way that even a random person talking about shooting him is. It would take something incredibly horrible happening for lynching to be a realistic method.

And yes, I can't imagine anyone thinking that there aren't people out there who want and are willing to kill Obama. Like really want to kill him and are probably planning it. It doesn't help that the right has painted him as almost as the Antichrist, Hitler, Marx, a Muslim wanting to implement Sharia law, a Black power person, and a Kenyan forrin all rolled into one.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:33 am 
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:38 am 
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Yes, all those atheist Muslim followers of radical black Christian ministers.


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 Post subject: Re: POTUS 2012
PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:30 pm 
yumicho wrote:
I don't think it's normal to talk about assassinating the president, and I don't think that any of the assassins and attempted assassins were open with their plans (maybe Booth, but as a whole, if they had had twitter, I doubt any of them would be tweeting about it).


I don't think it is normal to talk about it either.

It does not surprise me when I hear that people have suggested such things though. Which is my point.....


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:05 am 
As I said....

Man arrested for threatening President Obama's life on Facebook


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:14 am 
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http://www.examiner.com/article/mitt-ro ... D=obinsite

Nasty, but perhaps that why thy were all crying on election morning-after.


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 Post subject: Re: POTUS 2012
PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:48 pm 
I heard that about Romney.

Fiscally conservative = Cunt.

As opposed to Obama thanking his staff....




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