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Jeremy's won so I'm...
...pleased because I voted for him 13%  13%  [ 4 ]
...disappointed because I voted for the other one but I accept the democratic will of the Party and will give him my full support and work to reunite Labour and provide an effective Opposition 13%  13%  [ 4 ]
...pissed off and will continue to fight to reclaim the centre ground. 29%  29%  [ 9 ]
...to be honest I couldn't give a fuck, I only joined Mailwatch because I hate Dacre's foul rag. 45%  45%  [ 14 ]
Total votes : 31

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:50 am 
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Location: ...THEY'VE WON.
So comrades, what is your vote?

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"disappointed because I voted for the other one but I accept the democratic will of the Party and will give him my full support and work to reunite Labour and provide an effective Opposition."

I liked the sound of the mood music today with MPs who refuse to serve in Corbyn' shadow cabinet ploughing away through the committee system. The next move is not to criticise Corbyn or undermine him in any way in the coming months and make the best effort to make him look good. Let's see if he gets any better.


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youngian wrote:
Let's see if he gets any better.


Sort of hope for success, anticipate failure?

Yeah, seems fair. I'd be delighted, not to say astonished, to see things begin turn around.

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youngian wrote:
Let's see if he gets any better.


Sort of hope for success, anticipate failure?

Yeah, seems fair. I'd be delighted, not to say astonished, to see things begin turn around.


Didn't you read "MPs who refuse to serve in Corbyn' shadow cabinet ploughing away through the committee system."?

I think Ian means "hope for failure, anticipate success".

I could be wrong, but previous votes indicates otherwise.

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mikey mikey wrote:
Abernathy wrote:
youngian wrote:
Let's see if he gets any better.


Sort of hope for success, anticipate failure?

Yeah, seems fair. I'd be delighted, not to say astonished, to see things begin turn around.


Didn't you read "MPs who refuse to serve in Corbyn' shadow cabinet ploughing away through the committee system."?

I think Ian means "hope for failure, anticipate success".


What I mean is that senior MPs who can't find it in them to rejoin Corbyn's cabinet can find another way of attacking the Tories by pursuing a more specialist role in committees which would be an amicable way forward for both sides.

I'm not impressed by Owen Smith supporters throwing their toys out of the pram and tearing up their party cards. The fact remains if you can't find a candidate good enough to woo Corbyn's supporters than they probably won't impress anyone in Stevenage or Nuneaton. The contest is over and time to move on.

And Corbyn didn't put in a bad performance this morning; Tory Brexit plans are la la land and defended Gordon Brown against 'Labour caused the crash' nonsense. He's never going to sell his £500 bn spending figure though. His supporters may be impressed but to most voters it's scary. Talk in percentages if you want to govern. Few voters have any sense of magnitude at the macroeconomic level.


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Only a few days ago...

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As long as you are assembling the evidence for the prosecution quietly you can give Jeremy your full support.

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mikey mikey wrote:
Only a few days ago...

youngian wrote:
As long as you are assembling the evidence for the prosecution quietly you can give Jeremy your full support.


Exactly keep your options open the object of a political party is to gain power. If you want a friend in politics get a dog. Jeremy's poll ratings will now rocket now the PLP has called the dogs off. If they don't I'd like to point the jury to Evidence A.


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I'm not impressed by Owen Smith supporters throwing their toys out of the pram and tearing up their party cards. The fact remains if you can't find a candidate good enough to woo Corbyn's supporters than they probably won't impress anyone in Stevenage or Nuneaton. The contest is over and time to move on.


I think a lot of them are fed up and fear they'll no longer have a voice in the party.

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They can be certain of that if they leave. If you can't take it on the chin from Corbyn and get back off the ropes how are you going to have the stomach to take down the Tories? They can always return if the landscape changes.


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Frankly there is no future for moderates like me Ian, Corbyn's going to change the rules giving more power to the members, Mps will be deselected across, Corbyn will use the boundary review to push mandatory reselection, he'll change the party so that the left will dominate as it recedes into becoming an irrelevance to British politics. Corbyn doesn't want unity he and his allies will provoke and provoke moderates into disagreeing with them and when they object they'll make sure they get the blame when things go wrong.

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Corbyn doesn't want unity he and his allies will provoke and provoke moderates into disagreeing with them


"Provokes"?

That is the excuse of every bully.

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Frankly there is no future for moderates like me Ian, Corbyn's going to change the rules giving more power to the members, Mps will be deselected across, Corbyn will use the boundary review to push mandatory reselection, he'll change the party so that the left will dominate as it recedes into becoming an irrelevance to British politics. Corbyn doesn't want unity he and his allies will provoke and provoke moderates into disagreeing with them and when they object they'll make sure they get the blame when things go wrong.


That's the reason for keeping it buttoned in the coming months. You underestimate the role of Fortuna and you've got to be in the right place to seize it. I wouldn't wish John Smith's weak heart on Corbyn but you get the idea


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Just to be clear does this mean we shouldn't criticise Corbyn?

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Just to be clear does this mean we shouldn't criticise Corbyn?


Not publically for the next few months if we are to stand a chance of getting it through to some very thick heads that 'coup plotters' are not the problem. Faint praise perhaps; "Everyone deserves a second chance and so does poor old Jeremy."


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