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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 3:44 pm 
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"The most vociferous Corbyn supporters are in swathes of East Yorkshire and Sussex and Surrey. They live very nice lives, they are harking back to their student days when they were occupying the chancellor’s office."


Alan seems to know an awful lot about the demographics of Corbyns' supporters.

It's a pity he didn't know more about the Tory Election Expense Scandal.





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“Ahhh, I did see something about that. Yeah. Well. Can we re-run the general election?”


Thank goodness he never ran for leadership, after all.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 3:58 pm 
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How to deal with Labour dissenters - a handy Corbynite guide.

1. Tell everyone what the person who said something horrid about the Jezziah or His supporters is wrong.
2. Do not provide evidence it is wrong. When challenged, attack the person who asks for evidence while repeating that the claim is wrong.
3. Find something entirely unrelated which may have happened years ago which you think makes the person look bad.
4. Use this as ammunition to discredit whoever criticised Him and His disciples.
5. If the above fails, stick your fingers in your ears and shout "IRAQ" until everyone else gives up.
6. Win internetz.

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 Post subject: Re: Alan Johnson
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:26 pm 
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Is the weather in Italy really shit or something today?

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 Post subject: Re: Alan Johnson
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:28 pm 
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Well he is certainly guilty of repeating the downright lie that Corbyn and those who support the leader of the Labout Party do not wish to win elections. That is not just a distortion, it is a fabrication.

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"The left-wingers see going into government as a betrayal. They are not interested in getting into power because victory is a bourgeois concept. "


https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/po ... d-finished

This is alomst verbatim from the right wing rag Spectator
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/momentum-chief/

Momentum chief: winning elections is for political elites

The repetition of keywords is not an accident. The Spectato cherry picked a spat on Twitter between McTernan and Lansman.

https://twitter.com/jonlansman/status/7 ... wsrc%5Etfw

They published only Lansman's twitter
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“Democracy gives power to people, ‘Winning’ is the small bit that matters to political elites who want to keep power themselves”


and omitted his following comment

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“I want Labour to win power to democratise it. Focusing on ‘winning’ alone hoards power, ignores real needs & ultimately leads to defeat”


But I expect such dirty tricks from a right-wing rag.

From Labour MPs, it is beyond the pale:

That is why this comment by Owen Smith is particularly egregious:

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His supporters, such as Diane Abbott, might feel it’s “Westminster-centric” to worry about winning, but securing democratic power is what Labour was set up to do.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... owen-smith

Actually what Abbott said on the Radio 4 interview with Sarah Montague for the Today programme was this:

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SM: So he won’t have difficulties filling his Cabinet as he does now after a win in a future leadership election?
DA: Party members are going to look dimly at people who have chosen to unleash this kind of mayhem, when we should be addressing the issues facing the country post-Brexit
SM: … and then the Labour party goes to the country in a General Election and fares how?
DA: I can only repeat, you’re being very Westminster-centric. This is about the party…
SM: Why is that Westminster-centric?
DA: Because all you’re talking about is what MPs at Westminster are saying.


but went on to say...

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SM: So he won’t have difficulties filling his Cabinet as he does now after a win in a future leadership election?
DA: Party members are going to look dimly at people who have chosen to unleash this kind of mayhem, when we should be addressing the issues facing the country post-Brexit
SM: … and then the Labour party goes to the country in a General Election and fares how?
DA: I can only repeat, you’re being very Westminster-centric. This is about the party…
SM: Why is that Westminster-centric?
DA: Because all you’re talking about is what MPs at Westminster are saying.


It may seem more than a coincidence that Owen was also echoing a Spectator article that had similalrly cherry picked the interview to suit their headline.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/li ... n-chances/

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 Post subject: Re: Alan Johnson
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:29 pm 
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Andy McDandy wrote:
Is the weather in Italy really shit or something today?


It is stunningly beautiful, as it happens.

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 Post subject: Re: Alan Johnson
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:33 pm 
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Joining political parties is a fairly middle class thing to do, I think. Same applies to members who oppose Corbyn too, of course, but the wider electorate aren't keen on Corbyn.


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 Post subject: Re: Alan Johnson
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:36 pm 
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Abbott's being stupid there. You can't win when 80% of MPs hate the leader. It's a valid criticism, and she writes off as Westminster centric. Nobody cares about members of political parties.


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 Post subject: Re: Alan Johnson
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:42 pm 
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Joining political parties is a fairly middle class thing to do

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Nobody cares about members of political parties.


Spectator headline reads: Elitist Tubby Isaac says only middle class people should join political parties and nobody even cares about them.

Not a nice thing to cherry pick and twist people's words like that, is it?

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 Post subject: Re: Alan Johnson
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:48 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Alan Johnson
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:19 pm 
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Good Lord.


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 Post subject: Re: Alan Johnson
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:59 pm 
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mikey mikey wrote:
Well he is certainly guilty of repeating the downright lie that Corbyn and those who support the leader of the Labout Party do not wish to win elections. That is not just a distortion, it is a fabrication.


If they wanted to win the election they would not support Corbyn and Corbyn would step down.

It really is that simple.

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 Post subject: Re: Alan Johnson
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:02 pm 
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bluebellnutter wrote:
If they wanted to win the election they would not support Corbyn and Corbyn would step down.

It really is that simple.


So hundreds of thousands of Labour members do not want a Labour government.

Well you could call that idea "simple", I suppose.

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 Post subject: Re: Alan Johnson
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:10 pm 
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No, they don't, if it means they have to slightly compromise their ideals.


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 Post subject: Re: Alan Johnson
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lord_kobel wrote:
No, they don't, if it means they have to slightly compromise their ideals.


Especially if the membership is now largely made up of wealthy university graduates.

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 Post subject: Re: Alan Johnson
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:44 pm 
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mikey mikey wrote:
So hundreds of thousands of Labour members do not want a Labour government.

Well you could call that idea "simple", I suppose.


There is no alternative explanation. Corbyn is the most unpopular leader of the opposition in the over 30 years, Labour under him are 12 points behind the Tories (rather than 5 when he took over) and are not going to win the next election while he remains leader because the public are not going to vote for him. Let me put it to you this way;

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If you want a Labour Government, you cannot support Corbyn. It is a binary choice about which you value more. Labour forming a Government, or Corbyn leading Labour. Bear in mind with the latter the longer it goes on, the longer it will be after he goes that the former happens.

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