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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:51 am 
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The massive hole that the Tories have dug themselves into over Brexit is a glorious opportunity for Labour. It needs to be seized, Labour must present themselves as a party opposing it and to come to the rescue.

A re run referendum would almost certainly result in a reasonable remain majority, I strongly suspect that a fair few leave votes were "just to stick two fingers up to the politicians" like voting for shit acts like Jedward on the X Factor, simply to annoy Simon Cowell. As soon as the consequences are realised they would see sense.

Marginalise the far right fruit cakes and their barking mad cheerleaders at the Daily Mail, the national interest is at stake here.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:41 pm 
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Sorry to bum everybody out, but Fuck Off, Ken Loach.

You may have seen his godawful interview from the Conference.

Here he is lying about it last week in a letter to the New York Times.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/13/o ... itism.html

Funny how the leader might not get many Jewish votes, isn't it? What with Loach being one of his best pals for donkeys years.


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 Post subject: Re: Jeremy Corbyn.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:12 pm 
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I'm concerned that Corbyn doesnt see all votes as being equal.

If he embraced remaining, even via a 2nd referendum, it would probably result in a labour majority. But his own personal base would shrink...


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 Post subject: Re: Jeremy Corbyn.
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He really has to embrace remaining. The Tories are digging themselves into a hole with Brexit and it is a great opportunity.

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 Post subject: Re: Jeremy Corbyn.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:21 pm 
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I dont think lexit is as powerful as he thinks it is. Certainly nothing that couldnt be won over with a concerted effort.


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 Post subject: Re: Jeremy Corbyn.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:35 pm 
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Sorry to bum everybody out, but Fuck Off, Ken Loach.

You may have seen his godawful interview from the Conference.

Here he is lying about it last week in a letter to the New York Times.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/13/o ... itism.html

Funny how the leader might not get many Jewish votes, isn't it? What with Loach being one of his best pals for donkeys years.


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Howard Jacobson alleges that I defended questioning the Holocaust. I did not and do not. In a confused BBC interview, where question and answer overlapped, my words were twisted to give a meaning contrary to that intended.

I didn't hear anyone twist his words and if he wasn't arguing for all historical views to be given equivalence (in the context of Holocaust denial) then I have no idea what he said. He still has a bee in his bonnet about the conspiracy against his puerile play Perdition. I think he made a Nixon type rant at the time about 'Zionists' dominating in the theatre.


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visage wrote:
I dont think lexit is as powerful as he thinks it is. Certainly nothing that couldnt be won over with a concerted effort.


It also shouldn't stand up to much if you spell out that in reality Brexit is the hard right version of Brexit, there is no "Lexit". Jacob Rees-Mogg and Liam Fox are not embracing Brexit for the socialist ideals it contains.

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visage wrote:
I dont think lexit is as powerful as he thinks it is. Certainly, nothing that couldn't be won over with a concerted effort.


The Corbyn pundits have ended their Brexit flirtation with the Will of the people but MPs in heartlands are more nervous about sticking their heads above the trench.

At the turn of the century some polls were 50:50 about joining the Euro. By the time of the Greek debt crisis, no one admitted to ever supporting it.


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 Post subject: Re: Jeremy Corbyn.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:03 pm 
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youngian wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Sorry to bum everybody out, but Fuck Off, Ken Loach.

You may have seen his godawful interview from the Conference.

Here he is lying about it last week in a letter to the New York Times.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/13/o ... itism.html

Funny how the leader might not get many Jewish votes, isn't it? What with Loach being one of his best pals for donkeys years.


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Howard Jacobson alleges that I defended questioning the Holocaust. I did not and do not. In a confused BBC interview, where question and answer overlapped, my words were twisted to give a meaning contrary to that intended.

I didn't hear anyone twist his words and if he wasn't arguing for all historical views to be given equivalence (in the context of Holocaust denial) then I have no idea what he said. He still has a bee in his bonnet about the conspiracy against his puerile play Perdition. I think he made a Nixon type rant at the time about 'Zionists' dominating in the theatre.


He does, and for that reason he needs to be kept away from the media when anti-Semitism is being discussed.

Had a good discussion on another board about this- I think Jacobson (whose article apparently has lots of very questionable stuff in it) probably knows that Loach doesn't think "Gas chambers? Yes or no?" type discussion is acceptable, so I can see why Loach might be annoyed. But equally, it's, er, what he said. So the thing to do is to apologize for how it came out. Not go hard in at somebody calling you on it, and chucking in "it's really about Israel". You could not care a toss about Israel (as lots of Jews don't) but think "Hang on, wtf?"


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:05 pm 
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Hmm.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 08776.html

Shouldn't the message be 'Ditch neoliberalism to lose to the worst PM in living memory?'


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