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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:55 pm 
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Without knowing what is being said, it's difficult to judge. But as said before, there's a sliding scale.

Wanker.

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Nigger bitch.

A grand for anyone who'll kill her.

As for the Tories, I tend to find them perfectly polite in public, then once back in the office they'll quietly fuck you over for the rest of your life.

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Littlejohn's brain wrote:
Laura Kuenssberg given bodyguards to protect her at conference.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/ ... conference

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The BBC’s political editor, Laura Kuenssberg, is being protected by security guards at the Labour party conference this week following abuse she has received over her role, according to reports.

Kuenssberg, who has previously been jeered by some Labour supporters, will be accompanied by a security team inside and outside the conference zone in Brighton, the reports said.


We'll probably get some guff from the Canary about how she deserves because she doesn't think the sun shines out of Jezza's arse.


I think that's an overreaction.
She man be from Scotland, but that's no longer a guarantee that she'll stab anybody.


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Andy McDandy wrote:
Without knowing what is being said, it's difficult to judge. But as said before, there's a sliding scale.

Wanker.

Bitch.

Nigger bitch.

A grand for anyone who'll kill her.

As for the Tories, I tend to find them perfectly polite in public, then once back in the office they'll quietly fuck you over for the rest of your life.


I hear a lot about "leftist thuggery" in their columns.
On the other hand the Right are leading the convictions race: with one MP killer and one abusive lord currently doing "bird".
Cast your eyes to the anti immigrant movements and they're stacking up convictions like cigarette coupons.


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I don't think that we really need to know what is being said, rather how it is said and how it is being received.

For me, the acid test is whether it is targeted, personal abuse, and that it is politically motivated. I believe that there is some merit in this idea being floated last week that the vote would be withdrawn from convicted perpetrators.

It is very simplistic, I know. Similarly, I think that it is a fairly safe bet that the vast majority of low and medium-level abuse is bashed out in the heat of the moment, albeit in a regular pattern of doing so. Whether these are the kind of individual that disguises or obfuscates their digital footprint (or even knows how to do so), hmm, I doubt that. A few high-profile convictions after tracing IP addresses should remove the normality of this while leaving the cops to concentrate on the Thomas Mairs of this world.

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Thing is though, I engage in ribald robust banter. You engage in bitter personal abuse.

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What about the First Amendment to the Magma Carter, than guarantees my Freedom of Speach?

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Andy McDandy wrote:
Thing is though, I engage in ribald robust banter. You engage in bitter personal abuse.


That's for the courts to decide, as is being reflected upon by the Earl of Cuntery.

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Bones McCoy wrote:
Andy McDandy wrote:
Without knowing what is being said, it's difficult to judge. But as said before, there's a sliding scale.

Wanker.

Bitch.

Nigger bitch.

A grand for anyone who'll kill her.

As for the Tories, I tend to find them perfectly polite in public, then once back in the office they'll quietly fuck you over for the rest of your life.


I hear a lot about "leftist thuggery" in their columns.
On the other hand the Right are leading the convictions race: with one MP killer and one abusive lord currently doing "bird".
Cast your eyes to the anti immigrant movements and they're stacking up convictions like cigarette coupons.


When has the Guardian not covered the things you mentioned?

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 Post subject: Re: Labour, Generally.
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Adam Bienkov reports from Labour Leave so we don't have to https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/ ... 3610033152

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Kelvin Hopkins says the UK is "on the verge of a new dawn" for democratic socialism thanks to Brexit. The EU "is not nice" says Hopkins.
"EU is a political construct imposed on Europe to create a superstate... to hand power to corporations"

Paul Embery from the FBU says the "trade union establishment" all backed Remain despite trade union members being split. Embery says free movement is "the embodiment of capitalism... treating workers like copper or coffee." Panel asked how they can convince young people to be pro-Brexit. Embery: "speak to young people in the language of democratic socialism" Embery says workers rights are protected by the EU but dismisses this because he says their real aim is neoliberalism.

Austin Mitchell mocks the "flag-waving fools" protesting against Brexit as "public school boys on community service" "Bugger the single market" says Austin Mitchell.

Labour MP Graham Stringer says 75% of British people want to "get on with" Brexit. Stringer says EU causes fascism

Leaflet handed out at Labour Leave: "Eurosceptics may be arrested to face a juryless trial... on a xenophobia charge of insulting the EU." John Mills now passing a begging basket round to fund Labour Leave: "The tank is almost empty". Asks for £20 donations. Mills: "The good news is that raised just under £200"


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They're all here tonight. #lab17
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/ ... 3211424768

I'll look forward to socialist tough guy Kelvin standing up to corporations. Like Vauxhall in Luton when they shake the government down for Brexit subsidies to stay in the country. Footsoldier for public school golf club nationalists Austin Mitchell is now the curse of the poshos. Meanwhile full-time paid regional official Paul Embery is fighting the "trade union establishment."


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 Post subject: Re: Labour, Generally.
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Littlejohn's brain wrote:
Bones McCoy wrote:
Andy McDandy wrote:
Without knowing what is being said, it's difficult to judge. But as said before, there's a sliding scale.

Wanker.

Bitch.

Nigger bitch.

A grand for anyone who'll kill her.

As for the Tories, I tend to find them perfectly polite in public, then once back in the office they'll quietly fuck you over for the rest of your life.


I hear a lot about "leftist thuggery" in their columns.
On the other hand the Right are leading the convictions race: with one MP killer and one abusive lord currently doing "bird".
Cast your eyes to the anti immigrant movements and they're stacking up convictions like cigarette coupons.


When has the Guardian not covered the things you mentioned?


Today, read their edition and you'd come away thinking the problem was endemic and exclusive to the "Left".


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I haven't seen a good punch up at a CLP since a Militant expulsion meeting in the 80s.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:52 pm 
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Kreuzberger wrote:
Boiler might be able to shed some light on current best-practice.

IIRC, the BBC has or had a mandatory risk assessment for each and any off-site job which had to be completed and the appropriate steps taken. Needless to say, the Corporation is highly risk-averse. This is not, in any way, to excuse this grubby, whining tory shill, but it seems logical to me that her safety must be paramount.

Is this a case of standard best-practice being implemented and then being spun in to a story in its own right?

Discussed on Woman's Hour this morgen:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007qlvb

First piece on the programme with Harriet Harman - I'd be interested to see what Twitter had to say about it.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:12 pm 
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Certainly honest politics from McDonnell: Vote for me and I might collapse currency and investment. To be fair the Tories will have probably tanked the Pound by then anyway. Is there any door out of this mad house?

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The Labour Party is making detailed plans for government, including "war-game-type scenario-planning" for events such as "a run on the pound".

Shadow chancellor John McDonnell said the party was preparing "detailed implementation manuals" and drafting legislation so it could "hit the deck running" if elected.

At the same conference fringe event, former broadcaster Paul Mason warned the first six months of a Corbyn government would be "like Stalingrad", with attacks from the establishment.

Mr McDonnell said the party was trying to "answer the question about what happens when, or if, they come for us".

"People want to know we're ready, and they want to know we've got a response to anything that could happen.

"What we're doing now, we're taking every policy commitment within the manifesto and we're looking to develop detailed implementation manuals.

"That's the sort of bureaucrat I am… that's the sort of bureaucratic work that has to be done in the preparation of almost a traditional government.

"But we're not going to be a traditional government; we're going to be a radical government.

"We're going to face all the challenges… and we've got to scenario-plan for those… bringing the relevant expertise together at every level to talk through what happens if there is such and such a reaction.

"What if there is a run on the pound? What happens if there is this concept of capital flight? I don't think there will be, but you never know. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-4 ... ce=twitter


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Is there any door out of this mad house?


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