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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:59 pm 
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For contrast.
What some establishment think when they think they're among friends.

http://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/jane-kelly-third-world-fire-third-world-city/

As ever, the comments are putrid, but enlightening.


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That got pulled quickly.
In fact it looks as through the entire site is down.

Using google to see if there was a cached version (doesn't appear to be one) and it indicates that the site may have been hacked. Not surprising given how vile a lot of the content appears to have been. If it has been, best of luck to the hackers I say.

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And they're the ones saying how terrible it is that we're politicising it.

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Politicising it, you say? Take a very deep breath before reading this -

How the far right spin a human tragedy.
https://aliberallife.wordpress.com/2017 ... ign=buffer

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davidjay wrote:
And they're the ones saying how terrible it is that we're politicising it.


I had another dip into Conservative home.
They're unhappy with Theresa May's portrayal throughout the tragedy.
* Mainstream media isn't dancing to their tune - Boo hoo.
* Displaced survivors are described as "Thugs".
* Any non conservative politician is "Showboating".
* Leftwing national broadcaster is conducting "Attack interviews".

It's soooo unfair.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:19 pm 
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Met have just released pictures and footage of the inside of Grenfell. How anyone got out at all is a miracle.

Announcement of new figures tomorrow. Final figure of 160+ being banded about by many on Twitter in the area following conversations with firemen, but with any luck that's just the usual nonsense that Twitter can generate.

Hopefully.

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Sad thing is and it's the first time I saw it raised in a very good post by Robert Peston, there are victims who don't exist on anything official, who were there and no longer are alive and yet they just remain on a "missing persons" list.

As for Iain Dale how is Theresa May doing with her 110 majority you so painstakingly reviewed.


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Good point. The roster of residents is one thing, but how many people were having friends over, hosting fast-breaking meals, etc?

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Good point. The roster of residents is one thing, but how many people were having friends over, hosting fast-breaking meals, etc?


And of course lots could have been at breakfasts in other places, or away with relatives abroad.


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And with much cheaper housing in London how many were not sub letting or not recorded as residents.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:55 am 
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If this is true...

https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/8 ... 2465215493

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Hearing that Grenfell Tower survivors not wanting to be rehoused elsewhere eg in Preston (over 200 miles away) are being threatened (1/3)


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(2/3) with being declared "intentionally homeless", which in reality means the council won't help them get rehoused. Absolutely despicable.


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(3/3). Intentionally homeless = the council does not have legal duty to rehouse you. How can your home burning down = intentionally homeless

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http://www.lbc.co.uk/news/london/west/k ... infuriate/

Dafuq?

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bluebellnutter wrote:
If this is true...

https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/8 ... 2465215493

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David Lammy‏ Verified account
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Hearing that Grenfell Tower survivors not wanting to be rehoused elsewhere eg in Preston (over 200 miles away) are being threatened (1/3)


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David Lammy‏ Verified account @DavidLammy 27m27 minutes ago

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(2/3) with being declared "intentionally homeless", which in reality means the council won't help them get rehoused. Absolutely despicable.


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(3/3). Intentionally homeless = the council does not have legal duty to rehouse you. How can your home burning down = intentionally homeless


That's been talked about for a few days. Is there anybody on the record saying this is what's happened?

But as you say, appalling if true.


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You are deemed to be "intentionally homeless" if you refuse a reasonable offer of accomodation. The key word is "reasonable". I'd say that an offer of housing in Preston certainly is not reasonable, but that may be an extreme example.

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