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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:28 am 
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I actually think that piece on Brexit is very good. It sums up my views pretty much that the right wing leave voters want back the Britain that the right wing destroyed!

You couldn't make it up!

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:03 pm 
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On a related note, Rafael Behr asks Who will the Brexiteers blame when the milk and honey fails to flow?:
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At some point someone is going to have to level with the country. Much of what leave voters were promised is unavailable because the EU was never responsible for a lot of things that made them angry. The dawn of Brexit promises no significant freedom or opportunity that wasn't there the day before. It isn't a message that ex-remainers can deliver, for all the reasons that scuppered their campaign last year. It sounded patronising before the referendum and the tone isn't improved by bitterness in defeat.

None of the original leave campaigners will dare admit their dishonesty in making Brussels the scapegoat for every conceivable social and economic ill. There is no point expecting Boris Johnson or Michael Gove to embark on a self-critical journey of public-expectation management. Far more likely they will be drawn deeper into the old lie: someone must be held responsible when Brexit does not unblock the sluices of wealth and opportunity; when the milk and honey refuse to flow. The obvious candidates are foreigners and fifth columnists – EU governments that negotiate in bad faith; alien interlopers who drain public services; unpatriotic "remoaners" talking the country down.


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It's summed up in the attitude of the Liz Jones style columnist who wants personal service in shops, down to a nice natter about the weather, but can't stand it when she's held up by someone else getting the same.

It's summed up by the existence of Sky TV, where all you buy is exclusivity, the chance to see something a little before the next guy.

The free market isn't a bad thing - it encourages innovation and forces people and companies to keep relevant. But the obsession with seeing everything in terms of cost and potential profit has done much to undermine the societal cohesion that seems to underpin much of the nostalgia. It's evolved into a society where your ability to pay* determines what you get, and the value of anything isn't seen in qualitative terms but purely quantitative ones - how much money, what are the ratings?

*Ability to pay, not actual payment. As Withnail said about Uncle Monty's cottage, "Free to those who can afford it, very expensive to those who can't".

As regards Rafael, probably the gays, the Hindus, Sikhs, Jews or any of the other 'good immigrants'.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:13 pm 
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The free market is OK at providing what people want, like consumer goods, but very bad at providing what people need, like affordable housing, reliable public services etc.

The Tories saw it as a one size fits all and introduced it into areas where it doesn't fit.

Overall, I wasn't massively enthusiastic about the last Labour government but it did do quite a bit to make my life bearable, and in some ways enjoyable, whereas every Tory government since Thatchers has gone out of its way to make my life worse and more difficult

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Who will the Brexiteers blame when the milk and honey fails to flow?


Anyone except themselves.

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acob Rees-Mogg responded that it was out of order “to refer to pimping out our sovereign” and argued that no one had complained when Emperor Hirohito came on a state visit to the UK


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October 1971: Emperor Hirohito, Japan's wartime head of state, makes his first state visit to Britain. He is "welcomed" by silent crowds in London. Former PoWs turn their backs on him.


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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
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acob Rees-Mogg responded that it was out of order “to refer to pimping out our sovereign” and argued that no one had complained when Emperor Hirohito came on a state visit to the UK


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October 1971: Emperor Hirohito, Japan's wartime head of state, makes his first state visit to Britain. He is "welcomed" by silent crowds in London. Former PoWs turn their backs on him.


Jacob's responses don't have to be true provided they're "clever".


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Woman who keeps voting Tory can't work out why public services are shit
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http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/soci ... 0222122582

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Leaked tape reveals Surrey's council tax government 'deal'
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The BBC has obtained a leaked recording of a council leader saying he struck a deal with the government before scrapping a 15% council tax hike.

The prime minister has repeatedly denied Surrey County Council was given what Labour calls "a sweetheart deal".

But on the recording, Councillor David Hodge said he had written government assurances and recordings of talks.

A government spokesman said "there was no special deal" and to imply the opposite was untrue.

Mr Hodge announced he was abandoning plans for the 15% hike during a meeting of council members in February.

A rise of 4.99% was approved instead, avoiding a referendum on the issue, which deputy leader Peter Marin said was the "right thing to do".

Of the recording, Mr Hodge said "every leader... will always have these conversations to try and get a better deal".

'Don't get annoyed'

In the audio obtained by the BBC, Mr Hodge claimed senior councillors and officials spoke on the phone to Communities Secretary Sajid Javid "in his car outside number 10" on the morning they took the vote.

Mr Hodge said he was "looking for help on how we could stop a referendum" and told councillors of "a gentleman's agreement".


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Ouch.

Urgent Question for Javid.


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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ic-service

Local government faces major budget shortfalls in coming years. Is the entrepreneurial council the result?

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Heseltine this morning pointing out that EU27 aren't stupid and know Brexit majority is fragile and won on issues nothing to do with the EU. As a consequence May is desperate to get the country behind her. And Corbyn is obliging.


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In doing so he's forgetting rule #1 of Brexit Britain.

Thou shalt not dissent.

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As Mr Fenton notes, not getting much coverage in the right-leaning press...

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Far Right Watch‏ @Far_Right_Watch

.@SkyNews : 2 dozen #Tories MPs under Police Investigation for Electoral Fraud will hear 'within weeks' on charges.


https://twitter.com/Far_Right_Watch/sta ... 0968664065

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:30 pm 
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The Red Arrow wrote:
As Mr Fenton notes, not getting much coverage in the right-leaning press...

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Far Right Watch‏ @Far_Right_Watch

.@SkyNews : 2 dozen #Tories MPs under Police Investigation for Electoral Fraud will hear 'within weeks' on charges.


https://twitter.com/Far_Right_Watch/sta ... 0968664065


This might see Farage promoted to winner in Sth Thanet.


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